Theme of accountability surfaces in latest ‘Black in Edmonds’ panel discussion

Black in Edmonds moderator Alicia Crank, top row-far left, with top row panelists (L-R) Dedie Davis and Mike Schindler; Mark Davis, Adam Cornell and Sally Guzmán, middle row; and Micah Tolbert and Darnesha Weary, bottom row.

What started as a conversation about how a former Minneapolis police officer was held accountable for the death of a Black man ended with a call for Edmonds residents and elected officials to hold themselves, their family and friends accountable to ensure the city is welcoming to people of color.

The venue for this discussion was the latest Black in Edmonds online panel discussion, hosted by Edmonds resident Alicia Crank, and the topic was “After the Verdict.” Using the Tuesday murder and manslaughter convictions of former police officer Derek Chauvin as a backdrop, Crank encouraged panelists to examine how the death of George Floyd has specifically impacted Edmonds during the past year.

Crank began by asking Edmonds resident and Snohomish County Prosecuting Attorney Adam Cornell for his take on the Chauvin verdict. Cornell said that the jury “got it right,” adding “this was a just result.” Among the elements contributing to the verdict, Cornell said, was the fact that the incident was captured on video. “To have that sort of overwhelming evidence of Derek Chauvin’s guilt, it is certainly unusual in officer-involved use of deadly force,” Cornell said. He also cited the “absolutely damning” medical evidence that clearly showed that Floyd’s death “was a homicide, this was an intentional killing.”

One thing that hasn’t been discussed much is the makeup of the jury, Cornell said. “This was an incredibly diverse jury both with regard to race and ethnicity but also you also had an age range from 20 to 60, people from all walks of life who served on that jury, which goes to importance of having diversity on our juries,” he said.

Cornell also pointed to the “cascade of law enforcement witnesses who testified against Chauvin. The Minneapolis Chief of Police and many of Chauvin’s colleagues “one after the other were coming forward and saying that what he did was not reasonable. And that is not something you see in every officer-involved use of deadly force murder trial.” The prosecution team was also “incredibly skilled” and put together a strong case, he added.

Later in the discussion, Cornell said that while the Chauvin verdict was “monumental,” he added that “we’ve got a long, long, long way to go. But I think that that accountability…says something.” As an example, he pointed to the number of police accountability bills passing in the Washington State Legislature during the current session.

Crank then noted that since Floyd’s death, she has observed “a lot of anger in this community, there’s a lot of frustration and it’s manifesting itself in many ways,” and asked panelists for their reflections.

Dedie Davis, a wedding and event planner who served on Mayor Mike Nelson’s Equity and Social Task Force, said the recent task force report recommending the Edmonds Police Department improve its efforts in working with people of color “split the community.” As a result, she said that Edmonds has become “this hot mess. Everyone is so angry and so divided.” Davis also said that as a mother of three boys, she worries about that climate as those angry words “trickle down to our youth.”

Panelist Mike Schindler, CEO of Operation Military Family, said that he welcomed the panel’s ability to have a conversation on this topic as opposed to “hiding behind social media” and its echo chambers. “We’ve got to get back to having discussions on tough topics,” he added.

Schindler, who is white, said he believed his own military experience served as a diversity program, adding that he and his fellow soldiers “could all be diverse coming from different backgrounds and complete missions.” He also stated he wasn’t sure if America had a “racist problem” as much as a “deadbeat dad problem,” adding he works with the State Department of Corrections and 90% of those serving time in prison didn’t have a father in the home.

Some of the panelists said that while they appreciated Schindler’s candor, they noted his experience didn’t reflect what their own friends and family members experienced as people of color in the military. Dedie Davis also said that as a single mom raising “three wonderful, community-connected Black men,” she took exception to Schindler’s example of families without dads being part of the problem.

In addition, Davis noted that her sons had been racially profiled and subjected to racial slurs while living in Edmonds. “I can appreciate your position,” Davis said to Schindler, “but I think you need to understand that there is absolute racism in Edmonds. There has always has been in the 21 years that I’ve lived here and what this last year (George Floyd’s death and the Black Lives Matter movement) to me has done has only emboldened those people in Edmonds to be more vocal about it — and that’s what we’re dealing with now,” she said.

Crank asked panelist Sally Guzmán, the Edmonds School District’s Family and Community Engagement coordinator, what impact the contentious nature of community conversations is having on local youth and how the school district is addressing it.

Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, “it has been a hard year all around,” Guzmán said, adding it was particularly difficult not being able to have personal contact with students following Floyd’s murder and the ongoing discussions about racial inequity that followed both locally and worldwide. But she added that because of technology “in the last 10 years, youth have really been leading and because it’s all happening through social media.

“Knowledge and information is right at our kids’ fingertips,” she said. “As soon as you give them a phone you’re giving them basically a gateway to a ton of information.”

She also added that because of the pandemic, “the ripple effect of the murder was people were at home, people were listening, people had some time to process and learn.”

Panelist Micah Tolbert, an Edmonds-Woodway High School and Edmonds College Running Start student, agreed. He noted that high school students “are really leading the way. I’m noticing that people are getting involved in politics a lot sooner, at a lot earlier ages.”

While both Guzmán and Tolbert said that district staff members are receiving training in areas of diversity, equity and inclusion, Tolbert added it’s often the students who are “the real problem” in the schools. For example, Tolbert said he is both Jewish and Black and as a “double minority” has been subjected to insensitive jokes from his high school peers.

Crank then brought up the topic of free speech and “people screaming and defending their right to say what they want to say and some of those things have been racially insensitive.” She added that people are also quick to discount “something they cannot relate to or is not their experience.”

Guzmán said there is “a difference between free speech and hate speech and there are just some things that we cannot allow and I think we don’t have those conversations that are needed.” The school district is working to address institutionalized racism, she said, and she asked that both parents and students reach out to the district if they believe that discrimination is occurring.

Schindler said that while he believes the school district can help with these issues, he thinks that everything starts with a child’s family because “family is going to reinforce what they believe to be true. If we’re going to solve this, it’s got to be solved with the family and define family however you want, but it’s not going to be solved in the school. It’s going to be solved at home.”

Then Crank raised the issue of “civil discourse vs. verbal attacks,” which she said is “running rampant” in Edmonds. “It seems to be more and more acceptable for verbal attacks to not only be published, but then shared and compacted upon.” As a result, “we have neighbor vs. neighbor keeping dossiers on one another,” (on social media, this comes in the form of screenshots of others’ posts) “and getting ready to kind of come after to attack people because they have a difference of opinion. Why is this OK?”

Panelist Darnesha Weary, another 20-year Edmonds resident who is a co-owner of Black Coffee NW in Shoreline, said that racism is nothing new in Edmonds but the solution is to have “neighbors holding neighbors accountable.” Change will happen “when the community says free speech ‘amazing,’ hate speech ‘not OK,'” Weary said. “That’s the responsibility of everyone. Everyone in this community must find their lane, must find their circle of influence and start making the change there.”

Schindler said he believes that people who practice hate speech “lack character,” prompting Weary to ask Schindler how he defines good character. He responded that “character is you operate the way you want to treat somebody else and how you want to be treated. What am I doing, is it honorable? Does it encourage and uplift the other individual? Would I go to battle for somebody? If we can get back to treating with respect and honor I think we start to change society at that point.”

Panelist Mark Davis, a civil engineer who has lived in Edmonds for 20 years, replied that Schindler “is pretty idealistic” but the reality is, “there are some systemic issues that make that very hard for some people of this nation to deal with. Ideally I’m sure everybody should be doing that (acting with character) but that’s not how it is right now in Edmonds. That’s the truth and we need to figure out at least politically how we make things better for everyone while at the same time personally people need to then take some accountability when they can.”

In her closing remarks, Dedie Davis (no relation to Mark Davis) encouraged those in positions of influence in Edmonds to “take time to listen to your communities of color here and what we are going through and take it seriously. And don’t try to interject how you think we should feel.”

“Edmonds has this perception that it’s just this wonderful place to be and it may be for some but not for all,” Davis added. “Put in that work. Hold your families accountable, hold your friends accountable, hold your colleagues accountable beceause that’s what it takes. It’s a community.”

You can watch the entire panel discussion on the Alicia In Edmonds Facebook page.

— By Teresa Wippel

36 Replies to “Theme of accountability surfaces in latest ‘Black in Edmonds’ panel discussion”

  1. I am very grateful to Alicia Crank and all the panelists who participate in these important conversations. We are lucky to have Black citizens in Edmonds with the willingness and courage to engage and to speak with such openness. As a white person in Edmonds I have learned a lot from the Black in Edmonds forums. They have changed my assumptions and my behavior. We do have a long way to go here AND we have these great community members generously illuminating the way. Thank you!

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    1. It doesnt seem as though this panel is denying that theres a character crisis in black communities. Minneapolis robbed a Foot Locker who gave BLM $200 million. Its idealistic to expect people not to do that. MLK was an idealists who would have been concerned about fatherlessness.

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  2. The media will have you believing that a white police officer was the bad actor and set out that day to hunt and kill black people, solely based on the color of their skin.

    Based on that, they will also have you believing that all cops are bad, and their only job is to hunt and kill black people.

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  3. Double THANKS here, first to Alicia Crank and each panelist for a rich discussion on important topics SO relevant to our times, and second to the writer who summarized essential points shared by the generous participants who spoke to their personal experiences and perspectives with honesty, courage, and authenticity. I appreciated how respectfully several people conveyed how and why their views differed from others, which modeled beautifully how to ‘disagree in an agreeable way.’ I respectfully encourage anyone who missed the event to watch it on replay, if that option is available. I’m grateful to Alicia Crank for continuing these conversations and look forward to learning from future gatherings if they happen. Be the change!

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    1. Very nice. I totally agree with everything you said. Alicia and all of the panel I enjoyed very much.
      Your take on this was right on point. Thankyou Cynthia.

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  4. I grew up on the west side of Oakland, California where during my childhood growing up years in the fifties, I always felt living in the Bay area was a great place to grow up. We never locked our doors, mom always trusted us to make good descions while having alot of freedom in this city while taking public transportation, long hikes along a stream up to the bridge orgoing to matinee movies on Saturdays. In our public schools we were a diverse community and we all got along that I recall.
    I felt very nieve as I watched on our small black and white tv the evening news highlighting the freedom marches, the racial unrest over segreated, buses, drinking from water fountains designated for prople of color, black and white designated bathrooms, or where you could take a seat to order an ice cream cone or have lunch
    when I took these “freedoms” for granted in Oakland considered a large metropoliten city at the time.
    One of my favorite programs on PBS today is “Finding Your Roots” hosted by Henry Lewis Gates JR. A Yale graduate in History and a literary scholar of African studies. Mr. Gates shines a light on of our shared ancestry here in the United States and across the world using the study of new DNA research showing how we have more in common than we realize. I feel it is past time to find common ground with folks and to get on with living life to the fullest without wasting time on thinking that we are somehow better than some else.

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  5. I grew up in a predominately Black neighborhood near Altadena, CA in the seventies and then high school in east Los Angeles which was mostly hispanic and black with minority white and asian. Some of my earliest memories are of other children asking to touch my skin as they had never touched a white person and I had an approachable spanky temperament that was more amused than dismissive. I spent my entire K12 education a minority among peers. As an adult whose technology profession allows me to live anywhere I moved my family here to Edmonds, a place my grandfather lived in his youth, so my daughter could attend a better school system with a more diverse peer group for her sake. No comment on how that’s working out. The word racism is being thrown around with no understanding whatsoever of its meaning. Our schools teach nothing substantive on the topic, it really is tragic. While attempts are being made at the state and municipal level under the heading of equity, diversity, and inclusion, these are resulting in increased social tension and that too is tragic. So from our elementary schools all the way to highest branches of government this air of phony division is being created and reinforced. It’s going to take hard work to clean this up and hopefully we can do it quickly as the kids are taking real damage at this point.

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  6. Glad to see this conversation taking place but I didn’t see one example of anyone involved thinking they learned something. Sides drawn, as per plan. This Edmonds version of Helter Skelter needed to go with Charlie. This is a good town with well meaning citizens. Build on it.

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  7. As long as we refer to each other in terms of skin pigmentation and impute or assume characteristics about each other based on our skin pigmentation; there will be racism. People of all skin colors who are prone to want power over other people use race mythologies and fears to advance their own needs for economic and social dominance. In the United States, it’s been the subjugation of dark skinned people by light skinned people since the founding. If you really study history, you will see that this proclivity is as old as the recorded time of man on Earth. Good people teach and preach love and cooperation’ so all can exist as long and well as possible and bad people teach and preach hate, so a few can live as well and as long as possible .

    The human condition is either war and conquest or peace and co-existence. Over population has not helped with the war and conquest part of the eternal conflict of love and hate. Right now in the U.S., the White Supremacists are fighting to maintain dominance and they appear to be losing. Demographics and public political opinion don’t seem to be so much on their side anymore. We can always hope. Good policing is probably as simple as only letting really really good people be police; people who honestly think any sort of use of force should be an absolute last resort and rarely to be used at all.

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  8. ‘a character crisis in black communities’ is quite a statement, with more honesty about what someone is thinking than is common these days. I don’t know what I should now do in light of this appearing in Edmonds. Visit Ebenezer AME to apologize? Meet with the Black Law Student Association of UW to confirm my respect? Maybe Alicia Crank or Oluo Ijeoma would have constructive guidance.
    Here’s my very incompetent start: There are many Black people in America. There are many Black communities. Describing this reality requires recognizing that there are some like this and some like that.

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  9. Can anyone name a contemporary black Civil Rights leader? -someone near universally recognized as a leader in this regard?

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    1. Absolutely, if you want a name of an amazing young Black African American woman , her name is Candace Owens.

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  10. There you have it. We seem almost compelled to refer to people socially on the basis of their skin pigmentation. I would argue that Civil Rights leaders would and should come in all skin pigments and the question should be, “Can anyone name a contemporary Civil Rights leader? Seems to me that everyone of the population’ “United States Citizen,” has a vested interest in Civil Rights. I think virtually any reference to skin pigmentation is really a form of racism whether recognized as such or not.

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    1. Clinton, race exists. I used to be color blind, but now I’ve been forced by black people to listen to them from a color perspective. Edward Snowden. There is a white civil rights leader which everyone off all races seems to react to the same. Is there an MLK alive today? There should be many, but I’m at a loss to know of one.

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      1. Probably not the host of this event, as she sought to vilify me for saying I was blind to color; considering it was MLK Jr. who said we should each be judged by the content of our character rather than the color of our skin.

        Perhaps someone with a target on their back, like Star Parker, who appeared recently at an “Apologia” event hosted by Westgate Chapel, could be.

        Or maybe Kevin Jenkins or Curtis Cost, who both recently spoke at the sold-out Thrivetime Show in Oklahoma and produced the film currently available free at https://www.MedicalRacism.org could be particularly relevant today.

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        1. I used to be friendly and accepting. Now I am a racist and the scourge of the planet. I haven’t changed. Seems many wish me to be the enemy. Going to be hard to build unity if you continue label people/current society as your enemy.

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  11. I disagree with the whole concept that race exists, beyond the human race. Virtually everything else around the subject is based on hate, superstition, ignorance, self serving mthology, and irrational fear of “them” or “those people.”

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  12. Then I’m the world’s worst racist, because I don’t give a diddly damn what color anybody is. Our skin pigmentation is a result of where our ancient ancestors happened to be located on the ancient earth. People from hotter Southern climates tended to be dark skinned and people from Northern cooler climates tended to be light skinned. Skin pigmentation is largely a function of exposure to the sun over the ions of time.

    All the rest of the “race” ‘knowledge’ we so love to inflict on each other is pretty much bogus and a figment of our collective imaginations. I’m a Golden Rule guy, and that’s worked pretty well over my 75 years. I’ll just stick with that. I watched much of the trial and was very impressed by the Black and White lawyers, both working pro bono, working together to put that moron cop right where he belongs. The world is an ever so slightly better place now, in my opinion.

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  13. I’ve been alive for some time and am fascinated by how I’ve suddenly become the enemy of so many people. I’m particularly interested in how my young children are apparently racist simply by virtue of their skin color – don’t worry, the irony here isn’t lost on me – and am wondering at just what point I should have the difficult conversation where I explain that their young selves are culpable in “systemic racism.”

    All of this divisive nonsense is being pushed by people who cannot otherwise succeed in normal endeavors. It used to be said that those who can’t do, teach; well, now it appears that those who can’t do, do performative Diversity, Equity & Inclusion cult gatherings. Black Lives Matter (the organization), all associated groups, and anyone organizing un-American activities are explicitly attempting to destroy this country. They must not succeed. Vote Mike and his minions out of office. Support the three city councilmembers who bravely stood against Mike and Fraley-Monillas. End this madness.

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  14. Personally, I’m all for paying so called “people of color” (African Americans and Native Americans) reparations for how they have been treated in the past and to some extent the present (particularly in bad police practices). We’ve bailed out corrupt banks and badly run car companies with public funds to supposedly save the economy; why not give some public monies to people that might actually deserve it for a change? These poorer people will actually go out and buy stuff they really need with the free money and help keep some of our smaller businesses in business and more people in gainful employment.

    The corrupt banks just bought back their own stock with the socialist (tax payer provided) funds and the car companies just used the free money to build more factories in countries with cheaper labor costs. Socialism for the rich and Capitalism for the poor doesn’t work any better than Socialism for all worked in the counties that have tried that. Maybe we aught to give everyone (of every so called color) playing by the same rules, with the same opportunities and the same flat tax rates a try? Might just work.

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    1. Clinton, my family is half black. I’d accept half of what you’ve given to the full black families, and thank you.

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  15. Matt, sounds fair to me. I just want the government to give out funds to anyone,(black, white, red or yellow) who will go right out and spend the money.

    Ultra rich folks are just high class hoarders who save or invest their tax cuts and/or offshore jobs and profits facilitated by the cuts. The cruel joke is that the trickle down never happens. But, I’m sure it will if we just elect Republicans again and wait long enough. I’ve been waiting since Reagan first tried it and then his infamous Treasury Sec. (David Stockman) admitted it didn’t work years later. Bush one tried it and then had to raise taxes again when the economy tanked on his watch.

    Just give the damn money to the people who will actually spend it to begin with. The Covid checks were very popular and worked well. Small wonder Trump wanted to sign them when he was King. Some people eben voted for him because they thought he wrote the checks.

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    1. M2 Velocity. The Stimulus has had an overwhelmingly numbing effect on the economy. The COVID checks obviously failed. This is the most important graph describing the economy:
      https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V

      No one who advocates for Free Markets says “trickle-down”. That’s not a theory, so much as a straw man. It’s called supply-and-demand, not just supply, not just demand.

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  16. Another very informative discussion. Thank you Alicia Crank for putting this together.

    Having watched all of the Black in Edmonds discussions, it seems to me that the focus of the issues and solutions all directly focus on communication.

    A couple quick thoughts
    – Talking about this issue is difficult, and we need to find a way to have more understanding of other people’s experiences to have more productive discussions.
    – Putting yourself in other people’s shoes is much harder than it sounds. It might be the hardest thing some people will ever do in their lives. You not only have to consider someone else’s daily situation of where they live, who they interact with, but you also have to try to suspend your sense of justice and right/wrong and replace it with another person’s.
    – There is a lot of anger on this issue, and I believe a lot of it is driven by fear. I see death rates climbing by the hundreds in defund cities and fear that happening in Seattle. Others fear the change of our way of life, or free speech, or the police.
    – People feel attacked on all sides, and are fearful of the implications. The ideas of the equity task force were not extreme, but there was a lot of anger and pushback.
    – Ultimately we would all be in a better place in a community that was less hostile. This anger is not our best side. The solution is to do that in a way that does not replace a hostility towards one side with another. You cannot fix issues of racism against POC with racism against white people. If we listen and work together we could find a solution.

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    1. Thank you. There will be another discussion later this month around mental health, since May is Mental Health Awareness Month.

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  17. A few other comments on the issue of schools:

    [Stricter racism policies and mandatory trainings are not always the answer.]

    Sally Guzmán and Micah Tolbert had a very good discussion about racism in schools, and the difficulty in handling racist comments from students.

    Micah noted how issues of racism that he has seen comes from students, and he has not seen it in teachers. However, usually only the most egregious would be reported. As the consequences were very high with a zero tolerance policies, and it was hard to justify getting another person in such terrible for small jokes or comments.

    Sally had been talking about increasing mandatory training, but what is really needed is more intermediate tools beyond just increasing consequences. Otherwise you might be increasing the risk of people interacting with students of different races for fear of being turned in for a zero tolerance policy, and would actually be unintentionally increasing segregation.

    [One of the largest connected factors in police shootings is communication breakdowns, teaching kids to better communicate with police, and teaching police to better communicate with the public is likely the biggest factor in reducing police shootings]

    Most police shooting incidents involved suspected who disregarded police orders to stop, or resisted arrest, or attacked the police. Most of those focus around breakdowns in communication.

    Now that we have lost the resource of having school resources officers in school, we have lost a key component in student to police communication along with the kids to school safety. Both of those will need to be replaced.

    One option would be to have a police officer visit schools in a regular basis to have classes on communicating with police.

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  18. The last thing I wanted to discuss is the discussion around how people felt that they could see themselves in those killed in recent police shootings.

    Darnesha Wearys said that her daughter could see herself in Ma’Khia Bryant who was recently killed in a police shooting after being seconds away from stabbing another teen. She noted how they have been going through unarmed black shooting after unarmed black shooting by police this last year, and they have gotten numb from the fear of it.

    I can understand how unarmed black shootings appear to be everywhere. The cases have been so heavily played on the news that it seems to happen all the time. In surveys of respondents, some people thought that police shootings of unarmed black people was in the thousands of tens of thousands. In reality it was 18 unarmed black people killed by police in 2020.

    The sad fact is that if Ma’Khia Bryant had stabbed and killed the other teen and been arrested, than no one outside those reading the hometown newspaper would know her name or the name of her victim. Ma’Khia Bryant ignored five orders to stop and was seconds away from stabbing the other teen when she was shot.

    Darnesha Wearys said that her daughter could see herself in Ma’Khia Bryant, but I doubt that Darnesha Wearys would feel that her daughter would be likely to go around stabbing people, or would ignore five orders from a police officer to stop before still trying to stab someone.

    If Ma’Khia Bryant had killed the other person and been taken into jail, than the idea that her daughter would see herself in some random killer would be offensive.

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  19. Gee, only 18 UNARMED Black people were killed by Police in 2020. Seems to me like only 1 might be considered too many. The police killing any unarmed person for virtually any reason is a cause for concern in a free society and should always be investigated by a neutral party of some sort. Blaming reporting the news as contributing to this problem is pretty grasping for a answers I think.

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    1. You are correct that any number is too high, but if we agree that the goal should be reducing that number ideally to 0, the solution cannot just be from the police alone.

      There Washington Post has an comprehensive searchable database tracking police killings that even includes links to local news articles on each incident.

      When you look through, many of the killings of unarmed people of color happen when they are fighting with police, using their car as a weapon, or reaching for a weapon. In most of those instances, there was a breakdown in communication.

      That is why communication is so critical, and the effort to demonize police without any effort to improve the public interaction with police is so deadly. If the goal is to reduce black deaths with police, the solution needs to involve all of the factors that contribute to it.

      The worse problem is that to many the solutions to police killings has been to reduce the police presence by encouraging people to not call them, and to the extreme has included defunding the police.

      A study reported in Vox, found that in cities with major BLM protests from 2014-2019 there were around 300 fewer police killings, but at the same time, increases in the homicide rate there resulted in multiple thousands (up to 6000) more homicides.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/22360290/black-lives-matter-protest-crime-ferguson-effects-murder

      My point with news coverage on unarmed police killings is that we are largely ignoring the mass increase in homicide rates across the country while focusing so heavily on the very uncommon unarmed police killings without even focusing on realistic solutions. In many cases we are ignoring decisions that are increasing thousands of deaths in the name of justice. Doesn’t that seen unjust?

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  20. Evan, your clarity of thought is blinding to those that do not want to look at the social breakdown of what used to be two-parent families but only want to blame police and society.
    People with this attitude don’t seem to understand that teaching our children, no matter the color, that when stopped by police or any law enforcement to obey their commands.

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  21. What seems unjust to me is giving police a free pass to use armed force against unarmed force or armed force against the mere act of trying to run away from arrest. Every instance of a police officer shooting or beating an unarmed citizen of any so called “race” should be investigated by an outside agency and subject to criminal trial at the request of either the affected citizen and/or his/her relatives or the police person that used the force. (It’s conceivable that an accused and fired police officer might want a trial too, to try to clear his name). Investigations by internal affairs departments of police agencies are not unbiased in nature. All these investigations should probably originate at the State A.G.’s level as what occurred in the George Floyd case.

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    1. I would agree with everything that you said. In fact, I think you would be pretty hard pressed to find anyone who actually wants there to be police killings. The key point is really what steps can be best taken to minimize and prevent it.

      The thing is we know what steps are most effective at reducing both police killings and homicides, and it usually focuses on better coordination and communication with the police.

      More accountability for police including body cameras is not a bad thing as long as it does not go so far as to seriously prevent them from doing their job. However, recent intense anger against the police has exploded to the level that people would rather have thousands of innocent people killed in homicides than work with police to reduce it.

      The anger against police is so high that many people would rather kill thousands of innocent people (not themselves of course) just to feed their hated of police.

      As said many times in the latest Black in Edmonds discussion “Free speech, great. Hate speech, not OK.”

      We need to find a way to get past the large amount of hated towards police if we want to reduce violence and unnecessary death in our society.

      We are often most affected by what is most visible to us. For many who are not directly impacted by homicides in large cities, the deaths that they are exposed to in the news is more important than the tens of thousands they don’t think about.

      Really when you think about it, many of those reactions are selfish in the fact that they are not focused on reducing unnecessary deaths in the Black community, just the personal discomfort of what they see. Evan if that means more deaths elsewhere.

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  22. The only people who hate the Police and the Courts are the people who want to create chaos as a means of power and control. All POC (a term I personally hate to use) don’t want to hate the police. They want police and policing they can trust, which is really what all people of good and fair thought want. We simply need to be the country we claim to be in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as amended. We just aren’t quite there yet. It’s probably a journey that will never really end but the goal of getting there is the right way to go.

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