Election 2021: Not much change in council races following latest vote count

Janelle Cass, Kristiana Johnson and Neil Tibbott contined to maintain leads in their respective races for Edmonds City Council on the second day of general election results released by the Snohomish County Elections Office Wednesday.

Position 1 Councilmember Johnson, seeking her third term on council, had 57% of the vote in Tuesday’s returns compared to 43% for challenger Alicia Crank.

In the Position 2 race, Janelle Cass maintained her lead with 52% of the vote, compared to 48% for Will Chen. Both candidates are small business owners who have not held prior elected office.

For Position 3, former City Councilmember Neil Tibbott had 67% of the vote while incumbent Councilmember Adrienne Fraley-Monillas — seeking a fourth term —was at 33% in the latest count.

You can see all results at this link. The next round of results will be released at 5 p.m. Nov. 4.

  1. Can anyone explain why it takes so long to count the votes.? According to Snohomish County election website they say there are 15,700 returned ballots and yet only about 10,700 counted. In the last 24 hours they only counted an additional 2000 ballots. I realize there will be late ballots that were put in the mail day of election but ballots that have been received should be counted. The longer returned uncounted ballots are outstanding the more opportunities for mischief. If someone has a reasonable explanation I would love to hear it. Inefficient government is not a good reason.

  2. Mailin ballots need to have signatures verified before counting. So all mailin ballots received before election day had been verified. They were then counted last night as soon as the polls closed. So no counting happens until polls close at 800 pm. Everything coming in after 800 last night including drop ballot boxes and incoming mail need to be verified and then counted. So time consuming and a lag.

  3. If there are 31149 registered voters and 35.59% of those registered voted then there should be 11086 ballots to count. In the case of position #2 (the closest) there is a 393 vote advantage for Cass. The difference between what’s been counted and total potential votes is less than 393 (it is 260). Even if Chen got 100% of the remaining votes Cass would still win. So, why hasn’t this race been called? Why haven’t they all been called? Am I missing something?

    1. Mr. Adams, the “turnout” percentage listed on the county elections website represents only the ballots tabulated thus far. As new ballots are added to the count each day, that percentage increases. Only when the counting is completed and the election is certified, only then will we know the actual voter turnout.

  4. Ah, that makes sense. How could the 35% turnout number be accurate if there are ballots still in the mail? I guess this is one of the reasons it takes so long to certify elections.

    I used to go to the fire station to vote on every election. It didn’t seem like a burden to do that. I’d take my daughter with me every time to instill in her the importance of voting. She votes in every election now and makes an effort to be an informed voter. Vote by mail is convenient but certainly has its issues.

  5. I always take my ballot to the drop box outside the Edmonds library as soon as I sign the envelope. It’s secure, easy, convenient, and doesn’t have the issues the post office seems to be having with late deliveries. Ballots mailed on election day could take a week to be delivered, given the current service levels of the post office. I wouldn’t trust my ballot to USPS.

    1. April – If you vote early and place your ballot in the mail, you can verify you ballot was accepted at VoteWA – votewa.gov. If something were to happen to your ballot, you can request a new one by calling Snohomish County.

  6. Where’s the fire and what’s the rush? Is instant gratification the only thing people think about or want anymore? A slow, deliberate and accurate system of voting and counting votes would seem like a good one to me. I had a part time job in early retirement of helping deliver and pick up voting machines and monitor the election sights on election days. I can guarantee you the new system is more cost effective and much less problem prone than our old one, which I had a very, very minor role in helping administer as a paid laborer (the pay was rather good). Mail in voting should be the norm all over the country but it won’t be, just because it tends to be much easier, efficient and tends to broaden the base of voter activity. That is not something valued in all areas of the country.

    1. Actually Joy, that didn’t happen in Washington. Even when voters voted at polling stations, there were always absentee ballots trickling in afterwards. Close elections were not decided on election night, only when the absentee ballots were added to the count.

      1. Extremely close elections are seldom if ever fully counted and called on election night. Many close ones require mandatory recounts (past and present systems). Elections always depend on the integrity and honesty of the counters. The latest Republican Governor win in Virginia is a testament to the general honesty of our election systems nationwide. People who try to tear down and question the integrity of our election systems are out to destroy democracy for personal gain and absolute power.

  7. I personally liked to vote in person. It was not a hardship..anyone who thought it was a hardship could make alternate arrangements. Sorry, that did not happen often. The people running it knew me by name or made an effort to talk with new people at the grade schools where we voted. I too take mine to box drops at Post Office. I get my ballot in early. No we the people of the USA should know 99% of the people we elect on Election Day. I’m still trying to figure out how we went to mail in ballots??

    1. So, Joy, how did that 99 % thing work before the invention of the telegraph? At one time it was often weeks before the results were known for sure in national elections and could be days in state and local elections.

      If you feel you just must still vote in person you can still do it at the Court House in Everett up until the end of election day. A couple Counties tried mail in (Snohomish being one of the first after all the computer push back and controversy around the Bush/Gore election) and it worked so well and was so much less expensive that the whole state ended up doing it.

  8. That’s also how I taught my kids how an why we vote..in person. I took them with me. Monkey see monkey do…

  9. I loved going to the polls. I would vote for doing that again. If that’s too much trouble for people, they’re not appreciating what a privilege it is to have the right to choose our governing leaders.

  10. If voting by mail is more efficient, cost effective, minimizes issues, prevents voter fraud etc then why not vote via email or text? Making it easy to cheat doesn’t mean everyone will but it absolutely will happen. Those that don’t cheat aren’t represented accurately and will begin distrusting the system. That is where we are today.
    In my opinion voting in person should alleviate any potential for fraud unless of course the people tallying the votes are dishonest. All you have to do is make an effort to go, show your ID (which apparently is now racist), get your ballot and vote. If you can show a reason why you can’t vote in person (disabled, out of town etc) then get an absentee ballot. Easy-peasy!

  11. Clint..the telegraph??? It wasn’t that many years ago…that we voted in person, and yet we had honest elections and survived,,hmmm. I didn’t know you were that young.

    1. We still have honest elections, thank goodness! So a shoutout for our dedicated election workers – something my mother did for man years.

      Studies Agree: Impersonation Fraud by Voters Very Rarely Happens – from the Brennen Center for Justice, New York University of Law

      The Brennan Center’s seminal report on this issue, The Truth About Voter Fraud, found that most reported incidents of voter fraud are actually traceable to other sources, such as clerical errors or bad data matching practices. The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent. Given this tiny incident rate for voter impersonation fraud, it is more likely, the report noted, that an American “will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another

      A study published by a Columbia University political scientist tracked incidence rates for voter fraud for two years, and found that the rare fraud that was reported generally could be traced to “false claims by the loser of a close race, mischief and administrative or voter error.”

      A 2017 analysis published in The Washington Post concluded that there is no evidence to support Trump’s claim that Massachusetts residents were bused into New Hampshire to vote.

      A comprehensive 2014 study published in The Washington Post found 31 credible instances of impersonation fraud from 2000 to 2014, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast. Even this tiny number is likely inflated, as the study’s author counted not just prosecutions or convictions, but any and all credible claims.

      A review of the 2016 election found four documented cases of voter fraud.

      Research into the 2016 election found no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

      For the whole article, see https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf

  12. Nathanial,
    The information you cite sounds very definitive until the two sources you use are looked at through an ideology lens. Both the WA Post and the Brennen Center are left leaning organizations. I use the term “leaning” very loosely here. If, for example, the Heritage Foundation and the Brennen Center agreed on a subject, policy analysis etc you might have something. My perspective is the far left and the far right have valid reasons to distrust each other. The rest of us, for the most part, are just misunderstood.
    Life ain’t easy nor is it fair. How we go about trying to minimize those truths is the difference between liberals and conservatives. In a nutshell, give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for the rest of his life. If he (gender neutral term) doesn’t want to fish then that’s a life decision I can’t support.
    I don’t typically share my thoughts on this subject but I’ve been told that I need to. I understand people feel differently than me. I’m ok with that. What I 100% object to is name calling (childlike behavior – happens on both sides) and attempts to silence a different perspective. Honest debate is good, silencing debate ultimately has tragic consequences.
    Ok, I’m done here. Gotta go make a pie!

  13. People just love to ignore history and believe stupid stuff which is part of human nature that will never change apparently. Let’s see; we can rent trucks, hire a small army of people to haul around expensive election equipment, monitor on sight election processes with another small army of people every time we need to vote on something, or we can just print some ballots, send them out to registered voters only needing to have them delivered to the vote counters by the already established postal service or picked up by a hand full of people at convenient permanent locations. In other words let’s spend millions on elections instead of hundreds. Brilliant thinking and typical Edmond’s residents ideas about how to run things in general. Why spend hundreds when we can figure out a way to spend thousands to accomplish something? I give up. No point trying to talk sense to people who prefer nonsense.

  14. I don’t think your perspective is nonsense. Take the money, entitlements and influence peddling out of politics and I think we’d see more trust in the process.
    Pie dough ✔️

  15. Al, I had hoped you were going fishing.
    There are many who remember voting as a pleasant and patriotic experience.
    For me it is a patriotic duty which I take seriously. In the many years that I voted at poling stations it was not pleasant. It was a hassle to get there either before or after work. While waitng in line in November in a northern state it was cold, dark and sometimes rainy. Often the line to vote was long. I felt hurried while voting behind a curtain and in front of a machine knowing that there were people behind me waitng to do the same. I felt proud to be able to vote, but it was not generally a pleasant experience.
    This has changed since I now vote by mail. I do so in the comfort of my home taking all the time I need. There is no rush or bad weather. I use a drop box or the postal service. All this makes my voting experience a pleasnt one.
    The good ole days remain as they are in the past.

    1. Hey, Mike, if it’s pleasant, easy, relatively inexpensive and more available to everyone who wants to do it, it can’t be a good thing in the minds of those who want to limit the vote and who gets to vote.

      As you know, prior to about 1922, you didn’t have the right to vote if you weren’t the right sex. Prior to that it was no right to vote unless you were both Male and owned land. (It also helped a lot if you weren’t black or reddish in skin color).

      As to teaching someone to fish, as opposed to giving them a fish, the problem is that often they were being taught to fish for what someone else regarded as their fish to catch. In the end it’s all a crock of bull coming from all directions and people just believe whatever they want to believe.

  16. Haha! The boat is in for repair. Fishing, crabbing will commence soon.
    Thanks for your perspective. I had the privilege of voting in Edgewood at the fire station for many years. Indoors, rarely a line of people ahead of me. A totally different experience for me.

    1. Accurate history is important to study so we either learn from our priors wisdom or their mistakes. It’s when history is revised to further specific objectives that I have a problem. That is not a reference to Clints statement above.
      The Washington Dept of Fish and Game (?) does set regulations on seasons, size, catch and possession. I choose to live within those criteria. Some don’t. The prior statement on fishing refers solely to ones ability/desire to provide for themselves as opposed to being provided for. Some will only rise to the lowest common denominator. Set the bar low, that’s what you’ll get. Raise the bar and you’ll likely get that.
      Pie dough is chilling for 24 hours. So am I!
      Hope everyone has a great weekend!

  17. The guy who said, “there’s a sucker born every minute,” was right. Most religion and politics are about convincing some “sucker” to vote for you because you are special; or hand you money one way or another because you deserve it. The big trick to success in life, generally speaking, is trying to figure out how not to be that “sucker” and sort out truth from hype and hyperbole. It’s never easy and always requires some “smarts.”

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