While previously there has been great support from the public at large against the proposed 24-unit apartment in downtown Edmonds, they have only been looking at the Main Street view. I’m asking all of you to come out again to support me at the special Edmonds City Council meeting March 29 regarding the Interim Design Standards to address the situation of the proposed apartment’s size, density, location and visual impact of it sitting directly on the lot line of the alley. Pedestrian and vehicle safety also needs to be addressed. Nothing would have happened at all if you had not spoken up.
I was told by a member of the city council that it is “an administrative problem” and it definitely is. Zoning and the Comprehensive Plan should have been addressed decades ago. Again, the developer says in his proposal that:
“Structures on the adjacent parcels do not support the intensity of development under the current zoning and comprehensive plan and are anticipated to eventually be replaced with higher-density development. The proposed project is seen as a guide for future redevelopment allowed and encouraged by the comprehensive plan”.
First, there is the issue of combining 605 and 611 Main. Does this not have to have a hearing or has it just been pushed through without proper notice to the surrounding properties? LUPA (Land Use Petition Act) is legally required for this two-lot combination. Has this application for a lot line adjustment been timely and legally applied for, sequenced, documented and noticed to the neighbors of these two lots? Why spend all this staff time on this design if the lots could not be legally allowed to be combined in the first place?
Monday, I spoke with Kernen Lien, the interim planning manager, who has told me that they are not addressing the location of the proposed apartment on the alley and that the “interim design standards” will be presented to the council on March 29. A preview will be available on the city council agenda webpage at the end of the week.
My fear is that the city is going to allow this to go through without addressing the back side of the building on the alley and that those of us most affected are going to be the “sacrificial lambs.” What is really needed is setbacks on both sides and the back of the building as there is everywhere else on this square block.
Please use your imagination to see what I, and all my neighbors, will see and have to contend with.
My husband and I were very fortunate to be able to purchase our Condo at 600 Bell Street. Our unit is one half of the second floor facing east, south and west with full direct sunlight and a view of life. It is my forever home. I have 27 windows, which, all but three, have full direct sunlight from sunrise to sunset. For me, if this is approved, it is going to feel like being inside a prison – my view will be of a very close, impenetrable 40-foot (four-story) solid wall between 23 and 25 feet from my windows and I will not be able to enter or leave freely and safely from my garage. I will lose all privacy, direct sunlight and enjoyment of my home. Every time I look out my windows, I will see “The Wall.” The architect said that the height of the building wouldn’t affect direct sunlight on the surrounding buildings or the ability to have solar panels, but that is definitely not so.
There are three garages on this side of the condo. My garage, on the southeast edge of the building, is 18 inches lower than the alley with a raised garbage/recycling enclosure level with the alley that blocks my view. There is a berm, put in by the city, along the alley in front of the garages to divert drainage water that I have to bump over. Once I start backing up the incline, I have no visibility of what is behind me, or who might be coming and a limited turning radius along the enclosure. “The Wall” will be 15 feet away. A car exiting the underground garage at this proposed development will literally have to be in the alley before they can see either way, as it is a zero-lot line with obstructions from both sides. A proposed tiny mirror is not a safe solution, as you are at a steep angle to exit. Cars exiting 601 Main are also in the same situation with no visibility. A required setback would make it safe for all of us.
Kernen Lien told me previously that “Alley use is discussed in the staff report and has been reviewed by the city’s traffic engineer” but all I can find in the report is this from page 4 of the staff report: “Traffic impacts are mitigated though traffic impact fees collected in accordance with ECC 3.36.125.”
The traffic study apparently said that the traffic count in the alley at “peak times” was in the threshold where it would be safe to have another 24 vehicles entering and leaving. This was done in November/December when many people are away for the holidays and the winter. It also doesn’t take into consideration that It is already difficult to drive in the alley as twovehicles cannot pass unless there is a setback that you can drive into. 24 additional vehicles, plus moving and delivery trucks, will make it much more difficult and unsafe. Almost all the condos on Main Street in the same alley block have onsite loading and unloading areas with even fewer residents than this apartment. This should be a requirement for any large housing development in this compact zone.
At the ADB meeting, the city said that they wouldn’t allow a loading zone on Main, which means that the alley will be totally blocked for hours every time one of the 24 units moves in and out, ad infinitum. They will probably be parked directly in front of my garage and even if they are not, they will be blocking my neighbors and I will not have the turning radius to leave my garage. The architect said that they would book two-hour slots. This is not acceptable! I should be able to enter and leave my garage freely. Do I need to make an appointment to get in and out of my garage? Do I need to back out along the alley onto 6th into the oncoming traffic? There needs to be a setback to accommodate the moving trucks and for safety.
Visibility at both ends of the alley is very poor because of cars parked too close on either side to the narrow alley entrances both on 6th and 7th. Picture this: a moving truck parked, vehicles coming in at both entrances to the alley and one or more other cars trying to get out. This is a narrow, sometimes steep alley. How are we supposed to deal with that? There needs to be a setback for safety.
Interim design standards should be in keeping with the surrounding neighborhood with safety in mind. Faulty zoning is not an excuse to allow this higher-density oversized development to go ahead putting a permanent stain on our beloved historic downtown.
The citizens of Edmonds want our downtown historic community to remain “The Gem of Puget Sound.”
Respectfully,
Lynda Fireman
Edmonds
Oh my gosh sucks to be you, seriously this is what happens to people they call it gentrification. Redevelopment. Progress. I would ask the city and developers what kind of equity they are willing to offer to those impacted by the development? After all isn’t this thing called equity supposed be be at the top of our societal priorities? Or at least according to our mayor.?I don’t know what that looks like but I would assume consideration and or compensation would be in order. Let’s see if the mayor/city/developer are going to live up to what they preach. That would be my angle make the city make the developer give some form of equity, my opinion because of stated city position you would have a legal case.
No no no!
You are talking setbacks? If Edmonds residents let this project go through, it will be the start of high density apartments…
Just move the high density apartments to the south part of 99….lots of room there….let Will Chen rezone the corridor…and see if he really cares about the homeless structures that need to be built….
By the way….I don’t think the latest new build proposal is….affordable to most.
Keep high density projects out of downtown…if the developers want to build, let them buy a few of the old big buildings and rebuild them into new living areas.
Edmonds,
Please do not let the developers bulldoze a high density project through a non caring council….where high density was not allowed before.
Just go and ask the people who live in what once was wonderful neighborhoods in Shoreline…
Let’s take Bitter lake area as just one example.
Water quality??? Much worse
Water pressure??;Half of what it was.
Electrical outages?? 3 times the frequency.
Trash/Pollution?? Much, much worse
Rodent infestation?? Rats are as big as cats..and the critters carry a disease in their urine that kills dogs, cats, rabbits, maybe even birds.
I have a good friend who lives in one of the few houses left on Bitter lake. Both his dog and pet rabbit died because of this disease. He told me that they both had to be euthanized…after watching them wilt in pain from the disease(not curable) He asked me to write the community, so I did
We didn’t want all the condos, either. Edmonds is going to be so high density that not only will it have traffic problems and look unattractive, but we will definitely lose our tourist trade. They come to Edmonds because it’s closer than La Conner, and a cute little town. I’ve lived here for my entire life, and slowly but surely, Edmonds is changing into a mini Seattle.
I Totally Agree!! We are losing our Tourist appeal which doesn’t just depend on restaurants. It’s the whole Vibe of a Small, Beach town. Why doesn’t the Mayor and council get this??!!
The vision for Edmonds for the Nelson/Steves crowd is to have some kind of party town alcohol district, and small-town charm or environmental concerns are an afterthought
Richard, actually, NO. Whoever approved this project gave easements and made exceptions to the rules , for whatever reasons. Edmonds residents voted/approved for the rules that are present, not the exceptions against the code. We actually have real jobs and that’s why we elected/employed experts in city planning etc, to take care of these issues. Again , we voted in what we thought was a representative government, not one that would sneak around our backs and go for big & ugly. Not only that, but we’re displacing businesses, which for a town like ours is downright stupid.
I don’t know much about zoning….but this sounds just awful. And, what about cars sitting there in idle spewing exhaust up into the air…….because they can’t get around the delivery vehicles…what about blinding headlights at night when one is trying to back out.
What happens when two cars are in the alley together? One has to back out ? like the streets in Seattle…?
What happens when everything backs up Main street? Just sounding off…totally against this project the way it is.
Should of voted for Janelle.
In no way should this building ever be allowed to proceed with no set backs and a density ratio that would be the envy of Beijing China, let alone a medium size town in WA. state. This is just bad for everyone here except the builder and future tenants who want to pay at least a couple K per month to live in 900 sq. feet of space next to downtown. I predict that it will be allowed anyway. Our current leadership just doesn’t care.
The design of the “Carbuncle on Main” makes East Germany look charming.
I’m predicting many will be Airbnbs.
March 29, where and what time?
I just hate the owners of those lots building this monstrosity and bring high density, no setbacks to that area.
I thought the city was having a moratorium on permits till they did get some zoning and updated restrictions in place.
Seems like no one is in charge and individual city personnel just go ahead to push this through without really addressing the problems that exist for this proposed building.
Sort of a sickening feeling of hopelessness that I feel about this. That builder wrangled thru the other development without any parking and I bet they weasel this through too.
City council meeting is at 7 p.m. March 29 and you can attend either in person — Public Safety Complex at 250 5th Ave. N. — or remotely.
Lynda, thanks for speaking up! I’ll repeat what you quoted so it sinks in if people missed it.
“Structures on the adjacent parcels do not support the intensity of development under the current zoning and comprehensive plan and are anticipated to eventually be replaced with higher-density development. The proposed project is seen as a guide for future redevelopment allowed and encouraged by the comprehensive plan”.
That quote makes me very uncomfortable. Add to this the Dayton parcel the same developer has secured for denser development just steps away from this site and I start to feel sick to my stomach. These people are not focusing on the good of the community as a whole or acting like good citizens in my opinion, I read it as ” take all you can because we can and it’s going to happen anyway”.
One more obvious thing… that free big parking lot in-between these two sites for the patrons of the library & FAC is going to become very valuable and I’m guessing full all of the time. What is the plan for that spill over cost of these developments.
Keep tossing more rocks in the well folks and the results are inevitable.
I agree with all of you. The size, high density and design is inappropriate for this site and the bowl but on this project the city is not addressing the alley – the encroachment of the “Great Wall of Shame” on the surrounding residents, accessibility to our homes and safety are top of my mind right now.
Information on Interim Design Standards has not been published yet on the Council Special Meeting city website but I’ve already been told that the alley hasn’t been addressed
The Agenda for the Tuesday, March 29, 2022 has just been published.
Pages 179 – 194 out of 365 pages deals with the Interim Design Standards. The link to the website is:
http://edmondswa.iqm2.com/Citizens/FileOpen.aspx?Type=1&ID=3128&Inline=True
Please read it and attend the meeting either in person or by zoom Tuesday, March 29th at 7pm
I am for more high density development in this city, but this particular one sounds like it’s going to have awful consequences for vehicle flow for those living around it. And it’s ugly. Very odd choices all around by the developer!
I did have to chuckle about the letter writer’s 27 windows that let in copious amounts of sunlight. My house is completely surrounded by trees. We get direct sunlight for just a few hours each day, less so during the winter. 😀 I’m envious of the Bowl residents, with their glorious views and ample vitamin D!
I would like to comment too. The bowl gets so much attention, what about the rest of Edmonds? 192 units! And you all were complaining that the City is opening a small storefront city hall. Where is the outrage for this in Edmonds? Because it is at 234th and Hwy 99 it doesn’t warrant the same anger? I guess you folks in the bowl just care about the viewside Edmonds and the rest just support you with our tax dollars.
The project will provide 192 units—most of which are small studio or one bedroom apartments. Zoning requires 174 parking stalls for the units. The project will provide 252 parking stalls on two floors of structured parking. The building in progress will be 68 feet once completed. This includes two levels of structured parking below five stories of residential units.