Commentary/opinion: Reviewing the facts behind the RFA annexation debate – part 4

Firefighters work to extinguish a fire at Cedar Court Apartments in 2024. (Photo courtesy South County Fire)

In the past few days, we have looked at the comparative cost of fire and EMS services in our region (part 1 here), the alternative funding models for city and regional fire districts (part 2 here) and the service levels that Edmonds receives from the South County Fire RFA under our current contract (part 3 here). Today I want to look at staffing levels and costs and ask whether Edmonds is paying too much or too little to the RFA for service.

RFA Staffing and Cost

A key feature of the contract that Edmonds signed with Fire District 1 (subsequently the South County Fire RFA), is the ability for Edmonds to negotiate the level of staffing in its stations. The initial contract called for 11 firefighters to be on duty at all times. In 2017, to reduce costs, the city renegotiated this staffing level down to 9 personnel. However, in subsequent years, the RFA complained to the city of an imbalance in service levels. The neighboring unit utilization factor (NUUF) metric showed units from outside of Edmonds consistently coming into Edmonds more often than units from Edmonds were going into the RFA territory. This showed that demand for service in Edmonds was higher than what we were paying for.

After some negotiation in which the city proposed adding two, two-person units during peak hours only, the eventual agreement was to add back one, two-person aid unit operating 24/7 at a cost of $1.5 million annually to the city, starting in 2022.  This $1.5 million adjustment is a big part of the cost increase that has been cited between 2021 and 2025. The NUUF chart presented by the RFA at the council meeting on Feb. 25 shows that after this aid unit was added, the metrics moved back into balance. Units from Lynnwood continued to service Edmonds more than Edmonds was servicing Lynnwood, but the Edmonds units have been responding to Mountlake Terrace more than vice versa. And the metric for the RFA overall was at 92% for 2022 and 2023, which is considered in balance. In fact, this shows that Edmonds units are providing more mutual aid to other parts of the RFA than we are receiving from the RFA, but the contract allows for a plus or minus 10% swing to be considered balanced.

The data for 2024 shows that the trends for Lynnwood and Mountlake Terrace remain mostly unchanged from 2022 and 2023 but the overall RFA metric was very out of balance. The RFA did not explain why that imbalance arose but speculated that a two-alarm fire at the Cedar Court Apartments — which required all 11 Edmonds firefighters plus 50 additional firefighters — may have shifted the numbers significantly. Since this metric is key to understanding whether Edmonds is paying enough for the services that we receive, an updated version of this chart with that outlier incident removed would be a very helpful data point. If that still shows an imbalance, further investigation of the reasons for the swing from previous years would be necessary because metrics like this don’t typically swing so wildly without specific actions being taken to affect them.

The transport balancing factor metric looks at the balance between Edmonds based units transporting EMS patients outside of the city boundary vs other units doing transports within Edmonds. This was out of balance prior to the addition of the extra aid car, but data for 2022 and 2023 shows that the Edmonds units are more than meeting their obligations to the wider community. Here too though, the 2024 data show a major shift, not only in terms of the balance achieved but also the total number of transports reported under this metric. Note that this metric does not cover transports by Edmonds units within Edmonds or transports by non-Edmonds units outside of Edmonds. In response to questions from Councilmember Chen about this, the RFA noted that the reduction in total transports covered by this metric may have been impacted by movement of resources: They earlier reported that the aid car that was added in 2022 was initially at the Esperance station but has been moved to Maplewood, which has helped with the balancing of demand. For context, the RFA handles over 15,000 transports per year and Edmonds handles around 3,000, so this metric only covers a fraction of the total.

Unit Hour Utilization Factor measures the percentage of time that a unit is out on a call. In their report, the RFA noted that unit hour utilization levels above 20% are a trigger for looking at deployment options and additional resources. Here, the data shows that, while utilization was approaching that 20% threshold in 2022 and 2023, levels have come back down in 2024. Here too, I suspect that the 2020 levels were impacted by COVID because 2019 levels from last year’s annual report are very comparable to 2021 levels in this year’s report.  Note that the location of Station 17, with water to the west, significantly limits the territory that can be covered from that station.

For now, pending further understanding of the 2024 NUUF data, these metrics appear to suggest that the current staffing levels in Edmonds are sufficient, although the distribution of resources between Edmonds, Lynnwood and Mountlake Terrace is probably not optimal.

I spoke to RFA Chief Bob Eastman at the recent event sponsored by the Edmonds Civic Roundtable to discuss the upcoming RFA annexation vote, and I asked him directly about this.

On the question of whether the RFA was planning to increase staffing in Edmonds if we approve annexation, Chief Eastman said that was not necessarily the case, but that annexation would allow him flexibility to deploy resources more optimally.  He also noted that the RFA has plans to build three new fire stations including one at the Value Village location on Highway 99 and another at Alderwood Parkway. The addition of these new stations would require incremental staffing. I then asked whether the addition of these stations would improve the response times that we are seeing but he was non-committal on that, speaking instead about reducing mutual aid requirements for non-adjacent units. I understood that to mean that, for example, the demand for units based at Maplewood to respond to events in Lynnwood could be reduced. This could have positive effects in two ways: It would keep that unit in place in Edmonds to respond to emergencies here and — by dispatching a unit from one of those new stations — it could improve the response time of a second or third unit required at an incident in Lynnwood. Similarly, these new stations could reduce the response time for second or third units responding to an incident in the north part of Edmonds, particularly if the downtown unit is already on a call.

So, if our staffing levels are adequate and we are paying the contracted rates for those resources, why does the RFA claim that we are not paying parity with the residents of the cities that are annexed to the RFA? There are several factors to consider here:

– We pay 10% for administrative overhead and 10% for operations and maintenance. These rates seem low so a case can be made that some increase is due in these areas.

– The RFA provides specialized services like technical rescue and hazardous materials service that are necessary in a fire district of this size, but which are not part of the contract that Edmonds pays for.

– There has been a rapid escalation in the cost of fire equipment in recent years. This has been driven by consolidation among providers of fire equipment resulting in monopoly pricing.

– The scale of the RFA and the resources that it can offer allows it to maintain a level 3 fire class protection rating, which is among the top 15% in Washington state. This fire class rating directly impacts what we pay for homeowners’ insurance.

OK, but is $19 million to $20 million a fair cost for Edmonds residents to pay for the same service that they are getting today? I have already argued that the dilution of the tax levy will reduce the eventual bill by around $1.5 million.  The comparative analysis of costs in neighboring areas also suggests that the amount we pay should be lower than what is being projected under the annexation proposal. I also did an analysis of what parity cost would really look like if the goal is to have all areas of the RFA pay the same amount. The RFA 2025 budget, shows approximately $72 million in property tax levy revenue, plus about $8 million in fire benefit charges, plus about $12.5 million from the Edmonds contract. This adds up to approximately $92.5 million of tax/fee revenue with the balance of the revenue coming from transport fees and a variety of small miscellaneous sources.

If Edmonds has 14% of the RFA population, our net cost of service should be 14% of $92.5 million, which is about $13 million. According to RFA data, Edmonds accounts for approximately 16.4% of all calls to 911 and that is probably reflective of the higher average age of Edmonds residents compared to the rest of the RFA. If we use that percentage rather than the percentage of population, Edmonds’ share would be $15.2 million. This is obviously a simplistic analysis and is not intended to provide any sort of definitive guide as to what the right amount should be. It does, however, put a data point on the table that supports the notion that we need to pay more but not as much as $19 million to $20 million.

Summary and Conclusions

In my role as a customer service manager, I always tried to find the path of most clarity and least bias. My job was to advocate for customers dealing with problems in large and complex environments but also to know when the customer was being unreasonable or when their actions were contributing to the problems they were experiencing. I believe this has made me well qualified to attempt to thread the needle on this very complex topic and try to see the issue from both sides. You don’t need to agree with everything I have said in these columns and, in fact, if you disagree and you have data or evidence that contradicts what I have said, I welcome you to share that with the readers of My Edmonds News. The April vote is one of the most important civic events this city has seen in recent years, and it is important that we have a well-informed electorate to make a wise decision.

Whatever the outcome of April’s vote, two things are abundantly clear in the immediate aftermath:

1. We are going to pay substantially more for fire and EMS service in the future.
2. South County Fire will continue to provide fire and EMS service to Edmonds, whether under a modified contract or with Edmonds as a full member of the RFA.

If we vote yes, that is not the end of the story. Retaining the $6.5 million in tax revenue that is currently helping to pay for the fire contract merely plugs a gap in next year’s city budget, but it does not restore the reserves that have been depleted, repay the interfund loans that are supporting this year’s budget, or get the city out of its fiscal crisis. There will be another levy vote in the fall to raise additional revenue for the city to address those issues, and the amount that the city will ask for is dependent on whether the annexation vote passes. If we vote no, the city will have to ask for a bigger levy increase to get out of its current fiscal mess.

However, while this may look different to the city, the net effect on the taxpayers of Edmonds is a wash. Either way we need a plan to pay for fire and EMS services, maintain city services and dig ourselves out of the fiscal crisis — and the total bill for doing that doesn’t change depending on whether we are paying those taxes to the RFA or the city.

If annexation passes, then the next steps are clear but if it fails, then what next? There are some who are advocating for Edmonds to restart its own fire department, but I do not agree with this approach.  In addition to the fact that the city would incur overlapping costs for starting up its own department and paying for the contract with the RFA at a time when we have literally no reserves, one only has to look at how cities like Mukilteo and Everett are struggling to manage their own fire departments to realize that the decision Edmonds made in 2010 was the right one.

Rather than pursue the path of local control that a city owned fire department represents, I advocate instead that we go all-in on maximizing the value of a regional fire service. This starts with things that matter to us; like a commitment to leverage the fire benefit charge in a much more significant way to level the playing field between high assessed property value communities like Edmonds and other parts of the RFA (which will also receive a windfall from increasing the benefit charge component of the revenue system). In addition, the RFA needs to do a better job of quantifying what three new fire stations — and the increased costs that come with that — will mean in terms of improved response times, saved lives, etc.?

While we’re at it, let’s open the book on staffing levels across the RFA. Are current staffing levels, especially during off-peak hours, optimal for delivering the essential services that we are paying for or are there other staffing models that would deliver improved services at lower cost? What about some of the ideas for reducing the drain on department resources for things like hospital admissions wait times? Can we adopt a model like Everett has where a private ambulance service, contracted to the RFA, handles some portion of non-life-threatening transports? Or would a model like the Medic One service in Cook County, with dedicated paramedics for the most serious EMS cases, provide a better solution to rising costs and limited resources? Perhaps we could align ourselves with Everett and Mukilteo to seek an outcome that benefits all those cities and produces a win-win-win for us, for the existing members of the RFA and for the RFA itself if all three cities were to annex together.

These and other outcomes can be achieved from inside the RFA by working through the fire commissioners, but they could also be achieved in direct negotiations between Edmonds and the RFA if the annexation vote fails and could secure a successful vote on a second attempt.

Niall McShane is an Edmonds resident, occasional contributor to Scene in Edmonds and a retired IBM executive with experience in managing software development and customer service organizations.

 

 

  1. Niall,
    Again, thank you for your in-depth presentation of data around the upcoming decision regarding RFA annexation. The one question I have is how much influence will Edmonds have on some of your recommendations relating to staffing levels and EMS services. You also suggest there may be a second vote if the first vote is no. Is that correct? If the vote is no in April, will there be another vote after negotiations between Edmonds and the RFA?

    1. Christina, if Edmonds votes to annex, we will have observer status on the fire commission until, I believe 2028. We will be eligible to vote in the fire commission elections in 2027 but we won’t know how we would be represented until after a redistricting occurs to include Edmonds. It is possible that all of Edmonds would constitute the bulk of a single district which would give us one voice out of seven on the commission. Or we might find that Edmonds is split among two or more districts which would potentially increase our representation but make it less likely that an Edmonds resident would be elected to represent us.

      1. Niall, Edmonds may have observer status for a very long time. It depends entirely on how fire commissioners choose to redraw their internal boundary lines. They could easily put Edmonds into a district with an incumbent commissioner already in office until 2031.

        After the RFA’s presentation to City Council last Tuesday, I spoke with Commission president Jim Kenny about how their elections actually work. It turns out all commissioners must campaign across the entire fire district, even candidates from the five internal commissioner districts.

        So even an Edmonds candidate in an Edmonds district must campaign for votes throughout the fire district, even in Mill Creek and other distant quarters. It’s a terrible system, in my judgment, designed to assure incumbent commissioners are easily re-elected.

        1. Roger, I think I have heard statements to this effect before but the information on the RFA website implies otherwise. Specifically, it says

          “South County Fire is a regional fire authority governed by seven elected fire commissioners.

          Five commissioners are chosen from election districts. Two commissioners are elected at-large from within the entire regional fire authority.

          Commissioners are elected to serve 6-year terms.”

          (https://www.southsnofire.org/board-of-commissioners/election-information)

          The implication here is that only two of the seven commissioners are elected at large but it doesn’t explicitly say that the other commissioners are elected by voters within their districts only.

          Can you provide a link that explicitly confirms this?

        2. Niall, commissioner elections are governed by state law, specifically RCW 52.26.080.4(b) which reads in relevant part (note the last sentence)~ Commissioner districts shall be used as follows: (i) Only a registered voter who resides in a commissioner district may be a candidate for, or serve as, a commissioner of the commissioner district; and (ii) only voters of a commissioner district may vote at a primary to nominate candidates for a commissioner of the commissioner district. All voters of the proposed authority must be eligible to vote at a general election to elect a commissioner of the commissioner district.

        3. Thanks Roger. I agree that this model of at-large elections appears to favor incumbency over representation.

        4. Great thoughts. A few points of note from my point of view: 1) We are very cognizant of the need for representation and have endeavored in the past to redistrict in a way that prioritizes getting seats that cover annexed cities to the ballot as soon as feasible. 2) Liaisons from annexed cities have been invaluable to the board and their input is listened to and often has had a large influence on deliberations. 3) While non-at-large commissioners are only voted on by their district residents in the primary, the entire RFA votes on all commissioners, irrespective of district, in the general. It’s a bit confusing at first, but the guiding principle as I see it is to ensure that the entire RFA has a say in the election of commissioners, while the district primary ensures that the candidates on the ballot that live in the district have the highest level of support locally. It’s not perfect to be sure, but it’s what the legislators deemed the best solution.

          As always, these are just my personal thoughts and not any official statement on behalf of other commissioners or the RFA.

        5. One final comment on fire commissioner elections, responding to Commissioner Rowland. Micah, I’m encouraged by your words about enabling newly annexed cities to have an early vote to elect their own commissioner. State law imposes an awkward system for getting there, however.

          In the five commissioner districts, primary elections occur only when three or more candidates file in that district, which rarely happens. When only one or two candidates file, there’s no primary election at all in that district~ candidates go directly to the November ballot to be voted on across the entire fire district.

          If commissioners can be persuaded to put Edmonds into a single district, there’s a good chance an Edmonds candidate could get elected, but they still have to campaign for votes in Mill Creek and Brier and points in between, in addition to their Edmonds neighbors. If commissioners divide Edmonds into two districts, the odds work against us and reduce our chances to have an Edmonds representative on the fire board.

    2. Christina, if we vote no, the City will need to pay for the next contract with SCF/RFA via collection of more taxes, because the budget is currently well short of the amount needed to pay for the next year of service. They’ll need more tax revenue collection regardless to balance the budget, but the shortfall is much bigger in the City’s budget if they need to continue paying for fire and EMS services on contract. That will be on the November ballot.

      Looking ahead, my understanding is that there is a 1-year contract agreement with SCF/RFA to provide services in 2026. After that, my guess is that the RFA may come back with another annexation proposal next year, but I don’t think anyone really knows.

    3. The agreement between the city and the RFA on putting the annexation measure on the ballot explicitly calls for another vote if the result of the first vote is to reject annexation. Neither side seems willing to countenance a no vote. There is nothing in the agreement that requires any additional negotiation or modifications to the terms of the annexation in the event of a no vote.

      1. Niall do you mean there will be another annexation vote this November? Or next April? And then they’ll just keep pushing annexation until voters say yes, without any further negotiations? This just keeps getting better.

        1. I certainly hope this isn’t the case. Worst case: voters keep voting no and the city keeps putting it back out for a vote—at $250k per election cycle.

        2. I cannot speak for the city – all I can do is tell you what the agreement says which is that, in the event that the voters reject annexation, the city has agreed to bring the issue back for another vote. Of course, one definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome so I would hope that there would have to be some changes made to the proposal if we were asked to vote on it again following a no vote.

  2. Niall- your 4-part analysis of the RFA annexation issues is excellent. The City should thank you for providing them with at least $20,000 worth of quality research! The City should have undertaken this type of research on alternative fire/ems systems rather than spending $64K of taxpayer money to hire a PR firm to advocate for annexation! At the Town Hall meeting on Thurs, RFA Fire Chief Eastman made a couple of misleading statements about the relative costs of dedicated paramedics vs. firefighters. He said paramedics earn more than firefighters. I did comprehensive AI search for actual Washington pay scales. Dedicated paramedics earn 14% less than firefighters ($105K vs. $121K), and 23% less than combo firefighter/paramedics ($105K vs. $136K). Bottom line – dedicated paramedics make more economic and quicker response sense than cross -trained firefighters when it comes to responding to 85% of the 911 emergency medical calls! They have lower wages and they work twice as many on-task hours before taking UHU stress time-outs compared to firefighters, or firefighter/paramedics. The combination of lower wages and twice as much time-on-task for paramedics debunks the RFA’s argument that combo firefighter/paramedics are the most efficient staffing model! The RFA has a bloated and inefficient operation and Edmonds’ residents should Vote No! on annexation and seek a better alternative. Edmonds’ existing $12M contract is defensible!

    1. Actually, the San Diego Model has been adopted in many small to mediium sized cities in Oregon. A deciated group of EMT-Basic ride in medical aid SUV’s each shift and respond to medical only calls as the majority of medical calls are Basic Life Support (BLS) only. This frees up Paramedic/Firefighters and their engines to continue staffing area Fire Houses and reduces the need for Mutual Aid backup.

      An additional plus to this approach is the BLS Aid Car approach is seen as an excellent recruiting tool for aspiring EMT/Firefighters and Paramedic/Firefighters to enter the Fire Service.

      1. Kurt- sounds like a lot more pluses for dedicated ems. I don’t think you can rule out Edmonds going solo, but I agree a ‘mini’ RFA of Edmonds, Esperance, Woodway, and Mukilteo might be more viable. We have data on the City of Placentia, CA that broke away from Orange County RFA and set up their own fire/ems operation with a private ambulance service and their own firefighters- and they overcame a huge resistance from Orange County firefighters. They’re running at $10M/yr for 52,000 pop. – that’s $192/yr per resident. Edmonds pays $292/yr per resident under current $12M RFA contract. With the proposed $21M annexation, Edmonds residents will pay $488 per year. With $8M PER YEAR in potential savings, the ROI on a new fire/ems operation is huge – and well worth any start-up risk or front-end investment. Keep in mind that Edmonds has the advantage of an excellent 911 County service that costs just $400K/yr, the right to buy back trucks at market rate, 3 functioning fire stations, and potential incremental revenue approx $3M/yr from from Esperance, Woodway, and hospital transport fees. Lots going in Edmonds favor! It just takes the will to make it happen! Do you have the names of the Oregon cities that have joined together with separate paramedics and separate firefighters to run cost effective and responsive operations? https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-to-rfa-regional-fire-authority-annexation

  3. The difference in dedicated paramedics vs. combo firefighter/paramedic labor rates is a huge red flag for the RFA’s lack of cost control and inefficient operations. Labor is >80% of the RFA budget – so by having more dedicated paramedics and fewer combo firefighter/paramedics could save 30% in labor costs and likely require fewer firefighters for 24×7 station staffing. The Fire Chief said that the cost of providing fire/ems service runs $7M per station per year. The Fire Chief is trying to justify the RFA’s $21M in 2026 annexation cost – but he confuses price vs. cost. Edmonds 3 stations and 50 uniformed personnel would translate to an absolute maximum of $7.5M in labor costs. With labor comprising 80% of total operating cost – that means the total cost would be $9.375M for an annual station cost of $3.1M! It’s no wonder that Placentia, CA is able to run their fire/ems operation for $10M for 52,000 residents! The RFA should be helping Edmonds obtain reasonable fire/ems service and should be working for taxpayers to reduce costs rather than just ride annexation to support a bloated and inefficient operation. Edmonds can do better with its own ‘mini’ RFA with Mukilteo, Mountlake Terrace, Esperance, Woodway – or even its own fire department. Why spend $21M on service that should cost $12M or less? Vote No! on annexation. https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-to-rfa-regional-fire-authority-annexation

    1. One needs a bit more information like the National Fire Protection Association standards regarding minimum staffing for firefights responding to a fire as well as Emergency Medical Personnel (Paramedic/EMT) respondinig to a medical emergency or motor vehcle incident. NFPA 1500 and NFPA 1710 clearly state that in order to maintain the 2-in/2-out rule, the minimum number of fiirefighters responding is 4 with each Engine or Apparatus. That is on top of a Battalion Chief to function as Incident Commander. Havinig each firefighter dual trained and certified at least to the EMT-B; EMT-A level and one Paramedic per Engine per Shift allows for better utilization and deployment.

      Just try getting sufficient single resource Paramedics to staff a 24/7 operation who are not also Firefighters. Multnomah County tried that by contracting through American Medical Response for their stand-alone EMS with 2 Paramedics per unit. They could not recruit enough to fully staff Medic Units and response times went unacceptably through the roof. Then Portland Fire had to deploy Engines and close Fire Houses to handle advance life support medical emergencies. What is suggested above is penny wise and pound foolish.

      1. Kurt, have you followed the approach being used by Bothell plus many cities in King County. Have you read the RFP that was issued for BLS transport last year by that consortium of cities and Fire districts? I don’t have the industry knowledge that you might have- I’m a retired business woman. But I certainly don’t jump to the conclusion that an approached briefly described in MEN is penny wise and pound foolish.
        We track the utilization factor pretty closely, and actual response times versus standards, and other key metrics in SCF’s annual report.
        We haven’t met yet. Are you the same Kurt Chapman who works for City County Insurance and worked with Bay City, Oregon Fire Department in 2017? (That little department had 12 EMS calls in the month report from the Fire Chief that I read). The reason I’m asking is that this online newspaper sometimes has commenters who work in the Fire/EMS industry or are in the IAFF’s political committee- have a vested interest in the outcome of our election in Edmonds- and don’t identify what their role is. Sorry for being a skeptic; don’t take it personally. But please reply in another comment when you have time. Thanks.

  4. As Niall so eloquently points out here, it will soon get way more expensive to live in Edmonds (about twice as expensive in terms of Edmonds portion property taxes – using Jim Ogonowski’s quick calculation method). After digesting all this I would say the voters have nothing to lose voting this down at this time, except the cost of this totally unnecessary hurry up special election and PR Consultant that the Mayor and Council have foisted on us for political reasons more than financial. If they were really worried about the financial ramifications they would have simply done the whole ask in the regular fall election. If the cost of a one year contract is the same as one year of annexation, what really was the rush on this? I’d really like the Mayor and or Council Rep. to give us a believable answer on this.

  5. I prefer to look at the RFA issue thru the lens of a resident who wants to be able to vote for the people in charge of Edmonds, AND then also be able to vote independently on issues, entities and people in the periphery such as Water/Sewer districts, Fire/EMS, Hospital districts, school districts, port districts etc – because the more opportunity I have to exercise my voting rights, the more I’m able to participate in democracy. I don’t want my voting power consolidated, now more than ever I want it expanded and more precise.

  6. Thank you Niall for your thorough analysis and logical opinion. It’s refreshing to read the material presented without being cut off and/or negated at a City Council meeting or Town Hall. You have provided information that each Edmonds citizen can read and ponder to give careful consideration on how to vote in the RFA Annexation question.

  7. Niall,

    Great series of articles. Facts and data for all of us to consider.

    As you point out, there are still many opportunities for improvement with the RFA model as proposed. They could have structured the new fire levy rate and benefit charge to be a true savings for the community, as was done recently in Shoreline/Northshore. Instead, we’ll be facing an unnecessarily high tax increase if we join under the current terms. There appear to be no productivity improvements through economies of scale by joining which one should have expected. And as pointed out by other commentators here, our representation on the RFA will be limited at best. This means funding priorities, using our tax dollars, will be dictated by regional interests rather than for Edmonds’ unique needs.

    As in any negotiation, one never accepts the first offer. Let’s push the pause button and reject this rushed deal and demand better for Edmonds. As a community, let’s explore all of our options, including a better negotiated arrangement with the RFA. Once we have more of the puzzle pieces that Niall has brought to our attention on the table, then we’ll be in a better position to make a responsible decision on how to spend our tax dollars.

  8. Thanks Niall for all of the Information- very helpful. As an Edmonds resident I am struck by folks apparent complete focus on financial implications. I understand we all have budgets and life and we don’t want to pay more than we need to. But we are talking about a public utility not a new car. Personally, for my family, I want the best, highly trained, most well staffed fire department available. The moment you have to call 911 I have a feeling you’ll want that too. When your loved one is experiencing a life threatening illness, or god forbid your family is trapped in a burning house you will not be thinking about taxes. Let’s vote for what gets us fully staffed fire stations which well trained firefighters. There is no 912.

    1. Mike,
      Your comments are reasonable. We all need and want excellent fire and EMS coverage, and we have been fortunate to have that for well over 100 years via an Edmonds Fire Department and since 2010 via a contract with So. County Fire. So there is no question we are receiving—and will continue to receive excellent service—whether or not Edmonds annexes to the RFA.

      However, there is a reasonable question about whether there is a limit on taxpayers’ willingness to pay for these services. Are they wiling to pay double for the same level of service they are receiving today? Triple? And this is on top of the ever-increasing tax load from the county, school district and state. That’s really the fundamental question voters will need to ask themselves before they cast their votes on April 22.

    2. Hi Mike, 65% of all firefighters in the US are volunteers. Communities around the country are well served by volunteer fire departments.

      https://www.nvfc.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/NVFC-Volunteer-Fire-Service-Fact-Sheet.pdf

      Paying more doesn’t mean a better quality service. Edmonds consultant in 2016 laid out 3 recommendations to improve service / response times and cut costs by 20%. Of course Edmonds did not adopt their recommendations.

      https://myedmondsnews.com/2016/04/report-edmonds-fire-ems-services-can-improve-performance-reduce-costs/

      https://edmondscandobetter.org/pdf/Fitch_Executive_Summary_Report.pdf

      Take care,

      Nick

  9. Roger Pence, I appreciate you probing for more info about electing Commissioners. Didn’t the RFA comment at one of the February town halls that Edmonds voters could be spread across three districts? That would dilute our votes and run the risk that an unknown commissioner candidate would never get elected. The power of incumbency in elections is strong. I personally don’t think the RFA has explained HOW district boundaries are redrawn because it will make it obvious that there’s a risk an Edmonds resident will never win an election for Commissioner in the next few years.
    At the lightly attended town hall on Mar 5th the RFA explained that a consultant analyzes populations and redraws the RFA district boundaries so that the population is equivalent in each district. That methodology is a problem, in my opinion. The only way we can ensure that we get an Edmonds resident on the commission is if they increase the number of districts, and put all of Edmonds in a new district. That’s not going to happen. It’s irritating, frankly, that we have to continue to parse what the RFA says in order to figure out the impact to Edmonds residents. They won’t tell us the bad news directly. They’re campaigning for a Yes vote by the way they present only part of the story. That campaigning is illegal.

    1. Theresa, be careful what you ask for. Expanding the commission dilutes the voice of every commissioner. The best option for Edmonds to be heard is that the city makes up all of one district or a substantial part of two, where the incumbent commissioner has to listen to the Edmonds voices in order to win their primary.

      1. Niall, “if they increase the number of districts” is not what I’m asking for because I know that is not how the RCW that regulates them is written. I am asking for this RFA to clean up their messaging to Edmonds voters so we don’t have to do our own research to figure out what the whole story is. On the subject of primaries, Roger Pence has a relevant comment on Mar 5 at 9:03 pm. We can’t even get enough candidates for primaries for Edmonds City Council in most races. We can’t even get two candidates in a general election for City Council in some races. Based on that track record for Edmonds elected positions, I’m skeptical that we will ever have an Edmonds resident as a Fire Commissioner in the next few years. Unless…. YOU run. You’ve developed a reputation amongst the MEN readers.

    2. Theresa my friend, MEN comment threads are probably not the best venue for discussing the minutiae of redistricting, but since that’s where we are~

      Commissioners hire a demographer to redraw their district lines whenever RFA territory expands due to annexation. The demographer works at the direction of the Commissioners. The demographer can draw multiple maps to give Commissioners a choice to select from.

      Edmonds adjoins two current commissioner districts, so it would be easiest to draw Edmonds into one or both of those districts, but not into three districts. If Edmonds votes to annex, the population of each of the five commissioner districts would be about 58,000 people. Edmonds (including Esperance) would easily fit into a single district, thus increasing the likelihood of an Edmonds resident getting elected to the Commission and increasing Edmonds’ clout on the Commission..

      The bigger concern is Edmonds being drawn into a district that wouldn’t vote for a Commissioner until 2029 or 2031, leaving us with only a city employee “liaison” with no vote on the Commission.

  10. Thanks Niall for all of the information – very helpful. As an Edmonds resident I am struck by folks apparent complete focus on getting the most expensive and least cost effective fire and ems service they possibly can. Unless you are dripping with spare change to pay higher than needed Edmonds portion property taxes (like Mr. Bakke apparently is) you might want to think twice about a yes vote on this proposition at this time. Mr. Bakke’s comparison to buying a new car is very appropriate though because that is exactly equal to what you are doing here if you just accept the City and RFA’s inflated cost of service numbers. Combined and unethically working together; the City and the RFA are essentially that new car salesman who tricks you into paying full price fort the car with the extended warranty and full undercoating with paint protection package. They are trying to sell you a new Cadillac with all the bells and whistles at top dollar when a top of the line one owner Chevy would fill the need just as well at 1/2 to 3/4 the cost.

  11. I’ve head through the grape vine that some of the folks opposed to just blindly following the pied piper (Mayor, Council and the RFA to be precise) into this annexation program are starting to prepare some more concrete alternative proposals for a system that could retain total or at least more local control and cost less money over time. I hope this rumor is true because no one else has bothered to really look at the possibilities(probably more than one) and that is a real shame as it makes an unbiased and logical vote on this almost impossible right now. Once this is taken over regionally we really are at the mercy of the RFA and a bunch of commissioners who live outside of Edmonds and may even have past ties working for the RFA or some other fire/ems organization and might not be that unbiased in terms of how OUR tax money gets spent. Even if the start up period for a take back costs a little more, I think we would be better off in the long run to be able to fire the Chief if necessary and control the budget. This approach assumes that the future Mayors and the Councils will have the desire and ability to actually manage the service, instead of just washing their hands of it all.

    1. Sir you are speaking about emergency service. This is a group of highly trained life savers. Not the bad guys in a marvel movie. Unfortunately small cities can’t afford good fire departments. They cost too much. The public demands and deserves well trained well equipped emergency responders. This costs money. Regionalization of this service lends to better training for the firefighters. It allows these agencies to attract and retain quality people. Larger organizations will be able to offer more competitive wages and opportunities. Public utilities like fire and ems cost money. I live in Edmonds and I want the best fire department money can buy. If my kids or family need help I want to the most well equipped folks with robust staffing showing up as fast as possible.

      1. Mr. Bakke, With all due respect, if RFA is so much cheaper and more efficient than our own fire department or another better managed RFA would be, why are they having to double the cost of our service suddenly, claiming we are getting too good a deal? One year $12M is right on the money but the next year that amount must become $21M for some as yet to be explained reason. This is nothing but a “too big for it’s britches” SCF/RFA tax grab from the presumably well healed citizens of Edmonds with high AV real estate who, “just aren’t paying their fair share.” If you are loaded with cash and want to buy this baloney then keep dishing out your scare tactics and vote yes. Since I’m apparently not as rich as you, I’m going to vote NO and insist our Mayor and Council do the actual work we elected them to do. You are telling people that a NO vote absolutely risks our reliable professional service and that is simply not the truth. Especially now in this expensive and wasteful one issue special election that got foisted on us for political reasons; not financial good management reasons.

  12. Mr. Bakke
    EMS is life saving. It need not be unaffordable. Why has the RFA not changed their staffing model to reflect actual service demand of 85% of 911 calls for medical services? Dedicated 5-yr paramedics earn 14% less than firefighters ($105K vs. $121K), and 23% less than combo firefighter/paramedics ($105K vs. $136K). Firefighters and combo firefighter/paramedics have a much lower UHU threshold (30% on-task hours before taking stress/fatigue time-outs) than dedicated paramedics and EMT techs (50-60% on-task hours before stress/fatigue time-outs). Bottom line – dedicated paramedics deliver lower cost and better response than combo firefighter/paramedics when it comes to responding to 85% of the 911 emergency medical calls! Dedicated paramedics have lower wages and they work twice as many on-task hours before taking UHU stress time-outs compared to firefighters, or firefighter/paramedics. The combination of lower wages and twice as much time-on-task for paramedics delivers the most efficient and responsive staffing model. Why has the RFA done nothing to change their staffing model and demonstrate good fiscal management and efficiencies and economies of scale? Why did the RFA’s salaries for the top 50 highest paid employees in 2023 average $263,772 (including $46,468 in overtime)? It’s no wonder firefighters favor annexation. Bigger is better for their paychecks! Do you think the average taxpayer supports that pay level for regional firefighters? Vote No! on annexation. https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-to-rfa-regional-fire-authority-annexation

    1. The best lifesavers in the world are firefighter trained paramedics. Fire departments have the capacity to train and retain the very best. Single role paramedics are cheaper. They are also statistically less proficient. If you have a heart attack and want to survive you want a red truck showing up in front of your house that says fire department. If you want cheaper you want single role EMS providers. They have less training and less experience. People compete for fire department positions, become EMTs, go through fire academy, gain street knowledge and take competitive tests to get the opportunity to go through a process to become a paramedic. Single role paramedics go through a course and apply for a job. This is not who you want protecting your loved ones if the choice is ours.

    2. And In respect to your comment on overtime and their pay. That is earned money not gifted money. Do the math- imagine the 1000+ hours of time in addition to their normal schedule they worked to earn that. That is time away from family. Missing birthdays and holidays. Working on a fire engine or ambulance to serve the citizens. They don’t do it for free. It’s a highly technical, time critical labor intensive job. These men and women are raising families and may be sole breadwinners. Shame on you for calling into question hard earned blue caller paychecks. There is certainly blood sweat and tears in that money.

      1. Mike, it might come as surprise but most of us don’t get paid for working overtime. It’s a great privilege. I’m also concerned with the amount of overtime.

        1. Remember, this money is coming from our families budgets. I certainly wouldn’t want to deny the benefit of overtime, but I don’t believe SCF – RFA specifically manages overtime well. I’d prefer they minimize OT and maximize time with their families.

      2. Mr. Bakke, I’m curious about your enthusiasm for large and expensive Fire/EMS service options. Are you the same Mike Bakke who works for the Redmond Fire Department? How does that department compare with our South County Fire?

  13. Mr. Bakke, No where in Mr. Krepick’s comment did he do what you are accusing him of and shaming him about. He never said any of those blue collar workers don’t deserve what they are getting paid. You aught to be ashamed of yourself for peddling needless fear about losing service we aren’t going to lose no matter how this vote goes and purposely confusing the subject. The subject is how much should a service we all have to have cost and how should we obtain it. It is not about the competence of the firefighters and ems people at this point in the process because they will be the same people whether we annex or contract for the next year or however long the contracting lasts. If there is a change in how we do it, we will obviously have to recruit and hire highly capable and well paid people. You are just assuming that SFC is the only option possible and some of us think that is not true.

  14. I’m going to take issue with both sides in this most recent string of comments.

    As I have pointed out to Mr Krepik on more than one occasion, the high earners in the RFA tend to be senior managers or people who work a large amount of overtime. The salaries of the top leaders of the RFA are certainly high but they are not excessive when compared to corporate salaries in middle management and above and I believe they are commensurate with the level of responsibility that these leaders have. As for the overtime earned, staffing levels per shift are defined in advance and overtime opportunities arise when available staffing falls below planned levels. Firefighters can’t just decide to work extra hours if there is no demand for those hours.

    As regards the debate over dedicated paramedic units. I believe that is exactly what King County’s Medic One service is and that is regarded as a best in class approach.

    1. King County Medic One is one of the best in the nation for Intensive resuscitation in medical and Trauma patients. Most of the providers in king county are through fire departments which is the traditional model. KCM1 is a third party government agency, not a private ambulance. All Firefighter/Paramedics and Paramedics in KC go to Paramedic school at Harborview/Seattle Fire Medic One. Private ambulances will take employees regardless of where they obtained their paramedic license.

      1. Peter, I very specifically did not say that Medic One was a private ambulance company – I said that they were dedicated paramedics, which I believe they are. I am not advocating for, nor would I support privatizing our EMS service regardless of the purported cost savings. But that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t explore alternative delivery models if those exist and have been proven to be effective.

  15. Mr. McShane:
    You state above: “The salaries of the top leaders of the RFA are certainly high but they are not excessive when compared to corporate salaries in middle management and above.” The salaries need to be compared with similar positions in the world of firefighting. It is inappropriate to compare with corporate salaries as corporate and RFA positions are apples and oranges. Just one difference is the risk in holding a corporate position. When is the last time a RFA leader was fired for unacceptable performance?

    1. Ron, Maybe you are not familiar with what middle and upper level managers in large corporations earn these days – it is substantially more than what RFA leadership is earning.

      1. The question of reasonable or unreasonable fire personnel pay could be resolved by benchmarking. As you might expect, the RFA doesn’t report on benchmark metrics because that would expose their management flaws. The 2024 data I received from the RFA showed two fire chiefs were paid $570,000 total! It showed that the only positions exempt from overtime were the 2 fire chiefs, 3 assistant chiefs, and 3 deputy chiefs. Why a 15-station operation needs 2 fire chiefs, 3 assistant chiefs, and 3 deputy chiefs is beyond me, but certainly needs scrutiny. The other top 50 wage earners included 13 battalion chiefs, 20 captains, and 8 senior firefighters/paramedics. In addition to the question of the large overtimes and high wages – why does the RFA need so many managers? Why are battalion chiefs and captains not exempt from overtime? Data from Orange County, CA regional fire authority: 37 battalion chiefs for 75 stations- that’s half as many battalion chiefs per station as RFA! 5 assistant chiefs and 7 deputy chiefs for 75 stations – or 1 per every 6 stations compared with RFA at 1 per 2.5 stations! This data implies RFA is top heavy in management and unable to manage overtime. Importantly, firefighters have pension plans that are unparalleled in private industry. Please stop making excuses for the RFA. We need factual benchmark data.

  16. I can appreciate seeking the best service for a lower cost. From my assessment this doesn’t exist. The idea that we can start a fire department from scratch again for less and maintain the level of service would be an astonishing feat. Looking regionally and nationally the trend towards cities moving to an RFA model is very common. Fire departments are often cities largest budget items and also the largest employer, this takes a lot of time to manage. Edmonds is struggling financially, it seems the time is now to shift more capacity to handle their work and let fire and EMS move to a separate and unique funding stream.. My passion for this subject stems from the fact that I live here. My kids go to school here. I want consistent high quality service and I have an understanding of the options available and what these services cost. Training, public education, community response units for low acuity calls are all something that South County Fire provides that should be considered in the decision. A no vote may stretch the decision further but id be surprised if we could ended up anywhere different in another cycle.

    1. Hi Mike, I can respect your comment. It’s good for us to hear another perspective and I hope you feel that you can speak out, even if we disagree.

      I believe the costs are too high, and some compromise is needed. Personally, I wish these tough conversations were happening between city leaders and RFA, but many of us have lost confidence in our leaders ability to negotiate.

      We can have great emergency services, with well compensated staff and maintain costs. It takes compromise. A fire Chief in NY was cited in Time magazine, “We let it creep—we just kept putting resources into public safety,” he told me. “But you can’t run a city with just a fire department and a police department.”

      I appreciate the Chiefs sentiment, believe we’re facing a similar circumstance. Though I do not believe any layoffs are required to maintain costs in Edmonds. I believe SCF / RFA plans on a hiring spree with the new revenues, a hiring spree we don’t need.

      https://time.com/6097414/wildfires-firefighters-spending/

    2. Perhaps but a no vote would give an opportunity for the city to have a new round of discussions with the RFA about the many topics that I have brought up in the course of these columns which may lead to a better outcome for the residents of Edmonds. AS I have stated in the original articles, I believe that regionalization is the right approach but I do not believe that the offer on the table right now is the best deal for Edmonds.

      1. Niall, your suggestion about further negotiations with the RFA if the residents in Edmonds vote ‘no’ makes sense. but you were outsmarted by the RFA Commissioners in the short term. Both the 2026 one year contract and the annexation agreement that’s effective in 2025 with a “yes” vote have already been accepted by Edmonds. The Mayor signed that 2026 contract costing about $20m . This approach came from the RFA Commissioners last Fall, and had the appearance of being non-negotiable

  17. Like I said earlier, fear mongering works wonders in getting people to accept whatever it is you are trying to sell them. (This deal won’t last past this week end, so you better act now or regret it forever or maybe even die or lose your love ones). So far Mr. Bakke has tried to scare you to death with emotional hyperbole and accused a fellow commenter of demeaning blue collar workers which he most definitely did not do. I respect his right to his opinion and a Yes vote but I don’t respect the way he is going about trying to convince others that he is right. The No vote proponents merely want the Mayor and Council to do an honest look with documentation at finding another possible less expensive way to do this and not just base it on “everyone says RFA’s the best way to go.” If you want to be just downright sure your property taxes are going to almost double for fire/ems service vote Yes now. If you want an honest attempt to look at alternatives and other RFA options vote no. Remember, if you vote yes now, that’s all she wrote. You are just trusting RFA to manage wisely with the price for the service basically unlimited. This is really one big reason cities are going broke.

  18. Niall,

    Thanks for your clear statement: “I do not believe that the offer on the table right now is the best deal for Edmonds.”

    It’s my understanding that the “negotiating committee” agreed to give, via quit claim deed, two of Edmonds fire stations to the RFA, and that the contract includes the option to “buy back” the properties at some time in the future, at the RFA’s discretion. I don’t recall seeing reference to this in any of your articles. Your thoughts?

    Thanks so much for these well researched and comprehensive articles.

    1. Joan, that topic had been extensively covered in previous MEN articles. Yes, the city had steered to give two of the fostering to the RFA in the grounds that these were paid for with taxpayer money to be used as fire stations. The buy back agreement requires the city to pay for any improvements that are made to these properties under RFA ownership. It does not require the city to pay market value for the properties. In other word, under any future but back agreement we would receive credit for the transferred value of the property.

  19. Thank you for your thorough, logical and detailed coverage of this topic. I’d welcome a similar analysis of the City’s finances and the circumstances behind the self-declared budget crisis. Transparent analysis of the causes of, and solutions to, our City’s deteriorating financial condition would valuable information for the process of casting our vote on this and related issues in the pipeline.

  20. I’m seeing a theme, the Fitch 2016 report submitted to Edmonds & 2 California Grand Jury reports. EMS prioritized delivery models improve response times & reduce costs to residents. Less wear and tear on roads & less pollutants from 60,000+ lb diesel fire trucks.

    https://edmondscandobetter.org/pdf/Fitch_Executive_Summary_Report.pdf

    https://www.ocgrandjury.org/sites/jury/files/2023-06/2022-05-20_Where%27s_the_Fire_Stop_Sending_Fire_Trucks_to_Medical_Calls.pdf

    https://santaclara.courts.ca.gov/system/files/fdresponse_0.pdf

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/09/11/opinion/fire-department-reforms-911/

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